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THE KENTUCKY FARMER AND BREEDER 10 In a recent communication to the Rider and Driver, Mr. Charles L. Rai-lethe we'l known developer of saddle horses of this city, gives his views on the suggestion to divide saddle horse show classifications into two sections, one for the park and the other for the road. He says: Springhurst, Lexington, Ky., Feb. 22, 190G. To the Editor of the Rider and Driver: Replying to your query, I quite reluctantly present my ideas on the merits of a division of the saddle classes into road and park hacks. Permit me, first, to recognize your past efforts in behalf of the saddle horse and your no less commendable ambition in this instance; but I can not see that any beneficial results could be obtained. I am seriously opposed to the term "hack" being applied to a show All livery establishments horse. have hack horses for hire; the riding school also; and is saddle horses are classified as road hacks in horse shows, why not classes for all other kinds of hack or knock-abohorses? Besides, would the exhibitors so grade their entries? I think not. And whence are the judges to come who would do this? In corroboration of this idea, Mr. Gooch, the most capable of officials in this capacity, evidenced by the insistency with which he has been .retained year aster year by the National Association (a merit not personally him by no accorded means) did not prove that he could be equal to such a task. Do not understand me as casting reflections unon Mr. Gooch, since I know nothing against his principles; but I differ from him, and to show that he was not consistent in his types, we will bring it down to his awards in th'e champion classes at Madison Square Garden last fall. In the smaller division a veritable "peacock" was placed first the reserve going to a "road hack" that is, is he was any sort of a saddle horse at all. In the larger division, a road-hac- k sort was placed first, a peacock getting the reserve. Here was ao complete a reversal that the judge was plainly inconsistent. In conversation with Mr. Gooch (and we had several pleasant chats) I said to him: "I have studied you closely, and the results of your work the past week were more confusing than ever. No man," I said, "can deal in thoroughbred saddle horses without ultimately landing in Sing Sing, and what bothers me most, since you sometimes reverse your opinion, is to guess when to enter what I call a show saddle horse. "What, Mr. Gooch, is your opinion of Forest King?" I added. "For his job that of a sensational show harness horse there is not a horse in the world that can beat him," answered ut Gooch. "You think, then, that the National call for show Horse Show classes horses?" "Quite so." "How, then, can you acquit yourself of your awards in giving a show horse first, in one championship, and anything but a show horse first in the other?" His answer was: (undoubtedly a "Poetry of Motion" show horse) "is not my sort of a horse; Jubilant" (not a show horse) "is." It may be remembered that the National had a class for thoroughbred saddle horses last fall and that the winner thereof (Jubilant) was also winner of the championship in the regular saddle events. My view, then, I think is correct, i. e., that an exhibitor will make his entry into each and eyery possible class and that, therefore, to add another for "road hacks" can hardly prove advantageous. Why can not a judge be sound equal to the job of picking out one show saddle horse, selecting his second and third ribbon wearers as nearly like the first as the class presents? My idea is that horse shows stand for beauty of show horses which means type, excessive style, showy, elastic action, brought out in the most attractive form, through training and good manners. These qualities and characteristics make Forest King a sensational show harness horse. Why not a sensational show saddle horse? Your presentation of the two types (park and road) viz., Patsie McCord and Ken sington, could not be improved upon. I have a wonderfully sine lot of horses to put on the market this spring better I never owned They are representative in type, are clever goers and are thoroughly trained. Yours truly, C. L. RAILEY. Commenting on Mr. Railey's communication, the Rider and Driver published the following editorial: In another column appears an interest- ing contribution on the subject of saddle horses from that well known authority, Charles L. Railey. We regret that Mr. Railey does not agree with us in the suggestion to make a division between park and road hacks. In our opinion he takes a hasty view when he says that is there are classes for road saddle horses "why not classes for all other kinds of hack or knockabout horses?" There "are classes for other "road" horses, as distinguished from their "park" congeners, notably for "road teams" and "park teams," in and at Philadelphia and some other shows, there is a distinction made between "town" and "road" horses in the e single and classes for heavy harness horses. As to the use of the term "hack,." we do not believe the cultivated classes, "who own high class saddle and harness horses, such as go to shows, would take the demeaning view of it; we are sure Col. Railey does not do so himself and that he is calling attention to it only through sear of the masses' misunderstanding it by taking the cue from the livery stable. The word is no doubt of opprobrious origin and, although understood by the cognoscente to apply to the saddle horse, we will heed the remonstrance and adopt some other expression. But we trust that the "practical" title of "saddler" which, like "tallyho," applied to every form of coach, has come into vogue among some who must be lazy and ignorant as well as a sew writers of slovenly English may never be adopted. While always to thev truly practical in life, we feel, with Ruskin and Whistler and Morris and others that, as Addison says: "So the pure limpid stream, when soul with stains, Works itself clear and, as it runs, refines." Mr. Railey says the exhibitor would enter his horse in every class, whether it be of park or road type, and wonders who the judges might "be that would separate the types. It is true, as he says, that Mr. Gooch, the judge at Madison Square Garden, "mixed those babies up," but we do not agree with Mr. Railey's hopeless implication that we are to have Mr. Gooch thrust down our throats forever, nor that there are no other judges capable of doing the trick. Besides, is the classes were definite as to specifications, the exhibitors, provided, of course, that the judges followed out the conditions called for, would soon become educated, is not so beforehand. Mr. Railey quotes Gooch as sollows: "Poetry of Motion is not my sort of a horse; Jubilant is." Our readers need not be reminded that Mr. Railey is one of the leading saddle horse experts in America and that Mr. Gooch is a dealer in horses who for the past sour years has been brought over from England each year by the National Horse Show Association of America to teach Mr. Railey and all the rest of American saddle horse trainers, dealers and amateurs that, prior to his coming, their ideas as to what constituted the "correct type" of saddle horse were all wrong. The horse which Mr. Railey declares Mr. Gooch admitted was "not my sort of a horse" was the horse elevated by Mr. Gooch to the very pinnacle of prominence ostensibly as his ideal. And, strange to relate, this horse is a most exaggerated example of the very type which Mr. Gooch announced at the outset of his American career as a judge in the show ring (we believe he has had no similar career "at home," in England) was to be obliterated, namely, the "peacock" type. Now, is Mr. Railey reports Mr. Gooch accurately what are we to think of Mr. Gooch? Was he not, to say the least, more than inconsistent? Ignoring all other phases of Mr. Gooch's relationship to some of the officers of the National Horse Show Association and certain exhibitors who have won so conspicuously, that act alone should convict him at once of incompetency or worse. By such an admission as that which Mr. Railey quotes him as having made, he confesses that for some consideration or another he stultified his conscience and be d, pair-hors- trayed his judgment. Is a judge is not to judge upon the merits of the horses before him and in accordance with his own ability to determine those merits, he is either the tool of some one else or a dawdling idiot. Is Poetry of Motion is not Mr. Gooch's kind of a horse why did he give that horse the championship? Can the National Horse Show Association, which so strenuously stands sponsor for Mr. Gooch, answer this question? Is it has not given the matter attention it certainly should lok into it at once, as such statements, made publicly by one of the most prominent horsemen and exhibitors in America, can hardly pass without adding to the scandal that has already grown out of the saddle horse decisions at Madison Square Garden during the past sour years! a Mr. F. W. Okie, owner of Jubilant, now comes forward in reply to Mr. Railey. Mr. Okie is a breeder of hunters and jumpers at his Virginia farm. At the winter thoroughbred sales here at Lexington the past two years he has bought a number of thoroughbred mares, the most of them cheap, with this object in view. He says in defense of Mr. Gooch: Upperville, Virginia, Saturday, March 3rd, 190G. To the Editor of the Rider and Driver: Sir: The Rider and Driver has for some time past seen sit to criticise the iudgment rendered by Mr. Gooch, the judge of saddle horses for the last sew years at Madison Sauare Garden. I grant that criticising is always in order and through it the masses are educated and the horse world benefitted. i have just read in the Rider and Driver an written by Railey, the dealer, v. hi rein he says Mr. Gooch is inconsistent as he gave the "peacock" type tha championship in the small class and the ' road" type the championship in tha luige class. I have no idea of writing about the g virtues of our horse Jubilan, or the many qualities of "Poetry of Motion," but I think it only fair that there should be something said for the li of purpose of Mr. Gooch. iguing from the Railey standpoint was it not better that a good "road" typ? be j.iven the championship class over an inferior "peacock" type? This is what Mr. Gooch thought he waa doing. Likewise, in the smaller class, he gave Poetry of Motion the championship over an inferior road type (Lee Rogers). Miss Beach, in an interview with a well known horse weekly, expressed the whole affair in a nutshell when she said: "Entirely different types, but undoubtedly the best in their respective classes." There is every reason for dealers to be against the thoroughbred type, such as Jubilant represents, because, as Railey expresses it in his letter, "No man can deal in thoroughbred saddle horses without ultimately landing in Sing Sing." Presumably, no one could make a living handling them, as it is impossible to get enough of them at a price that could be sold to advantage. As a rule, most of the thoroughbreds are race horses; the balance are trained until their dispositions are so thoroughly spoiled that they are unfit to be ridden. On the other hand, there are thousands of Kentucky saddle horses that the dealer can handle at a profit. No one realizes more than Mr. Gooch how difficult it is to get the proper foundation in a thoroughbred for a saddle horse, and it might be interesting to your readers to know that he offered us $3,000 for Jubilant to take to England, and Kith the understanding he would never be shown in America. This offer was refused, not with the idea that the horse was worth more, but merely as a matter of sentiment. To know Jubilant and his disposition is to make any lover of a horse worship him. The horse was never raced, consequently he still retains those qualities which all thoroughbreds Truly yours, naturally possess. F. W. OKIE. depi'3-ciatin- H7f-st- good-looki- FRIDAY, MARCH 16, 1906. Cloud Carmon, the Government Experimental Sire, also Partly of that Lineage." The article is for the most part a compilation of matter recently published in The Kentucky Farmer and Breeder. It opens with the following introduction: So much has been written for and against the .United States Government's experiment in breeding for the production of a typical American heavy harness horse that the Rider and Driver deems it not only interesting but instructive and patriotic however much we may have disagreed with the promoters of the scheme, in regard to their methods to give the subject as it progresses due consideration. Our readers are familiar with the stand we have taken against the theory that the admitted "accidents" of the justly famous light harness horse should be selected as foundation stock for the evolution of a horse to work in heavy leather, pull heavy vehicles and comprise the opposite of race horse conformation, with high knee and hock action. For generations the bredeers of the light harness horse have been striving to get away from those very characteristics, their aim bing to obtain a speed machine, with a long, narrow structure and low, frictionless action. Any thing approaching "coachiness" in any of the get of a light harness horse's ancestry has always been deemed a bar sinister, and the produce that might display such tendencies regarded as a disgrace to sire and usually thrust to the discredit of the dam. It is, therefore, we deem it, an incontrovertible fact that heavy harness types of such a breed are anomalies, pure and simple, and to breed from them on the theory that "like begets like" means generations of descent before that type can be fixed. The law of atavism, which controls the tendency of any "breeding backward" race, i. e., the inheritance of characteristics from ancestors several generations agone, must be considered, and not only must the selections of individual sire and dam be carefully made, but the subsequent matings of their progeny and their progeny's progeny must be likewise effected with consistent discrimination. That there have been horses successful in heavy harness with light harness ancestry there is no denying, as instance the show ring victories. One of these is the subject of our frontispiece, the great Red Cloud, formerly owned by the late William L. Elkins, of Philadelphia, and at last accounts drawing a brougham in Boston for Mr. Thomas W. Lawson. It may be noted from the pedigree of Red Cloud, however, which we find traced by the pen of J. Gano Johnson, Esq., in The Kentucky Farmer and Breeder, that he is by a sire of the strongest possible lines of sturdy Morgan and thoroughbred blood, viz., Indian Chief. This horse was by Blood's Black Hawk, he by Vermont Black Hawk, he by Sherman Morgan, he by Sherman Morgan, sounder of the breed. Some of the advocates of other breeds have scoffed at the idea that there is today any directly Morgan line of breeding traceable back to its foundation source. On the dam side Indian Chief goes back to the imported thoroughbred Grand Bashaw and imported Messenger. a The Rider and Driver then copies the major portion of Mr. Johnson's article on Indian Chief, including the Dills card and the letter of Mr. Railey. It concludes with a portion of Mr. Geo. M. Rommel's address before the Kansas Board of Agriculture, first published in The Kentucky Farmer and Breeder. The Rider and Driver is in error in the statement that Mr. Thomas W. Lawson's Red Cloud is by Indian Chief. The confusion evidently arises from the reference by Mr. Dills to a son of Indian Chief called Red Cloud. The latter was the sire of the dam of Mr. Lawson's horse, which, by the way, is known as Glorious Red Cloud, and which is by King. The distinction is clearly brought out in the following letter from the Emerald Chief Stock Farm to The Kentucky Farmer and Breeder: Breeding of R.ed Cloud the Editor In its issue of March 3 the Rider and Toand Breeder: of The Kentucky Farmer Driver publishes an article under the Sir: It is with pleasure we draw for heading: "American Trotter for Heavy some of your readers and yourself a disHarness Morgan Blood Prominent in tinction between two glorious horses, the Ancestors of the Famous Red Red Cloud 2197, by Indian Chief 1718, and

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